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Apr. 8th, 2021 01:55 am
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I wanted to write a Harry Potter AU in which transactivism comes to Hogwarts. I got as far as working out where different characters would stand on it. But writing HP fic is tough; I'm not keen on writing for book canons because they already have a writing style and it's not mine, so it feels like I should read them first so I get the author's "voice"-- but mine would be a poor imitation, anyway. But feels like a different universe entirely when written in a different style. So I dunno. But I had a lot of fun thinking out the fic.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Where do you think they'd stand on it? I can't figure out if Hermione would be gung-ho or if she'd turn into a strident terf, LOL.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think she'd follow a standard radfem journey. Start off sympathetic, though like 'they're not literally women tho', then go 'wtf' when people started saying that and terf out. Am thinking of how little time she had for Trelawney, etc; I think she's quite rigid in her thinking (might go a bit too far the other way and think dysphoria was always made up imo, then slowly settle back a bit), and would just be swayed a bit at first because of the gaslighting (vs eg: McGonagall, whom I think would take one look at transactivism and be like "Absolutely Not").

Harry would go along at first but would be skeptical internally, and probably go where Hermione led. Ron would make the transphobe>TRA>calling-himself-a-male-feminist journey, again mostly because Hermione would refuse to speak to him otherwise. There'd be some weird uneasy Gryffindor-Slytherin alliances over it, a mixed showing from Ravenclaw and I think Hufflepuff would mostly be on the trans train. Harry would be quite irritated that Malfoy, of all people, seemed to be one of the few recognising it as nonsense. Crabbe and Goyle might say they were transwomen for the status, not sure. Hagrid would be a loud TRA until he witnessed a mtf vs f boxing match (or equivalent), and would then be quite perplexed and distressed trying to make sense of it all. Ginny would be a total TRA (protective over Neville, who would have convinced himself he was a girl); Luna would have started out curious and positive toward it and then abandoned it with the observation that the people 'weren't very nice'; Umbridge would be running Mermaids, and Trelawney would have 60 genders. Dumbledore would have a dark past as a Queer Theorist.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
OMGGG I'm dying at all of this, nonny! Umbridge running Mermaids! Trelawny! Dumbledore the queer theorist! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ayrt

:D :D :D Thanks! I am so proud of my headcanons! And so annoyed at myself for still not having mustered up the discipline to write the damn fic, aaaaargh! xD
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Please tell me about Rita Skeeter and Snape! Is Snape a closeted transwoman like I've heard??
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Snape looks down on everyone involved, and hopes the TRAs and the feminists eliminate each other. He plays along when he has a chance to take points from Gryffindor, and would relish the chance to call Hermione a silly little terf, but he is himself likely to sneer at the pupils with atypical pronouns, refuse to acknowledge them and mock/belittle anyone attempting to pass in his presence; I think he posts derisive things on kiwifarms. He is unable to hide his disdain but nobody ever bothers him with a potential cancellation.

Rita Skeeter is a fun one because she could go either way! I think since the money's with transactivism, she'd be more likely to be writing trash for a paper like vox. But at some point she'd get cancelled for past indiscretions, since she'd make an easy scapegoat (older woman) and there would be a lot of dirt on her, and she would then switch. She'd probably spend a lot of column inches on the appearances of the men involved. Plus tbf she'd be more likely to be on the Daily Mail payroll when things first kicked off, so she might just take their line from the start.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
LMAOOO Snape as that one KF user that everyone hates because he gives everyone "autistic" ratings and derails every thread being mad at the internet is giving me LIFE. Although I will admit to enjoying an alt view of him as a self-loathing egg who posts on /TTTT/ telling everyone they don't pass and will die alone.

Rita gets caught writing dreck for Pink News under the pseudonym of a gay man, and after that she goes to the Daily Mail.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-16 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Lol, I can see that Snape headcanon! My own image of Snape I think sees himself as a bit too above other people for that + probably feels disgust toward people with mental illnesses. But I can imagine him simultaneously having a burning desire to have been born female and taking his own self-hatred out on everyone else.

(Lockhart is *definitely* going to stage a big event where he comes out as nonbinary.)

I feel like Rita is most likely to get caught out not being up to date in her terminology with some passing fad. She'd get cancelled over not writing 'womxn' or something like that, meanwhile there'd be drawers of actually nasty things she'd written over the years. She might try to write something positive in her usual daily mail column, paying lip service, use unintentionally-insulting terminology, get hit hard by the backlash, go "well, fuck you too, then" and swerve back hard. Every subsequent column she wrote would note her indignation at her cancellation and remind readers how trivial her infraction was. She'd take up about half the column on it. The rest would be spent emphasising how hairy men's legs were.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-20 01:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Is there anyone currently roleplaying on KF as Snape? Do people roleplay on KF in general? I feel like the world's missing out, if not.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-20 01:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
LOL I think everybody's roleplaying at least a bit on KW! But no Snapes that I know of.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-26 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
SA

I found my old notes! I was writing the above from memory. So (there'll be some repetition, and I prefer some of the newer ideas tbh) I'll add for completeness' sake:

Harry: Quietly skeptical, 'Harry could see that this wasn't a woman'; tries to be nice; is not gratuitously cruel; privately thinks the women seem quite reasonable, though thinks they are a bit harsh.

Ron: Initially cruel in a clueless sort of way (and probably uses t-slur), then goes fullblown TRA for a bit, until Hermione snaps at him (and cries ;_;), at which point he goes quiet. Harry later sees him waving an anti-transactivism banner (one that's probably still a bit off, like 'there are 2 genders!')

Hermione: Standard feminist journey. Was initially pro, though always skeptical of 'gender identity'. Is first one of the trio to catch onto the danger; Harry didn't much care since it didn't affect him. Is annoyed that the others don't seem to care as much or get how important it is.

McGonagall: Ultra terf 9000%

Hagrid: At first an ardent TRA. Later sees a boxing match, 'hang a minute...'; realises there's a problem. Distressed trying to make it work.

Trelawney: Trelawney has 60 genders.

Umbridge: Mermaids CEO.

Fred & George: Cautioned for 'hate-speech'.

Neville: Immediately starts wondering if he's a girl. Gets taken in for a bit.

Luna: Would be in the TRA crowd, for a bit, then decide they're not very nice.

Voldemort: Tom Riddle would play along but think it was all bullshit; he'd use them as he uses the werewolves, while despising them. He'd incorporate it into his rhetoric and keep them at arms' length. He'd use them as stepping stones, flatter them until he got into power, then turn on them when it suited him.

Slytherin: The pro-trans parts of Slytherin would have been gay-bashers 3 minutes ago, now TRAs and entreating everyone to 'protect the queers or else'. Most are probably loud about being 'allies' while holding people at arm's length.

Lupin: Quietly disapproving, uneasy and wary; he knows the crowd; this is not the crowd. This crowd reminds him of another crowd, who hated his crowd.

Sirius: Bit of a dick; will talk about women's rights but he mostly just likes mocking. Would probably be a TRA if he thought that was the side of good. Think he'd start out attacking 'terfs' and then do a 180 when he encountered the TRA literalists, since turns out he does know what a woman when he's the one being propositioned.

Arthur: Far too nice about TRAs

(One I wondered about: Molly Weasley. On the one hand, she's prone to believing rubbish she reads in tabloids at the expense of other women, and I could see her being all, "poor little trans girls, just let them play!" On the other hand, she's had 7 kids; she knows what a woman is. My notes come down on that side but maybe that's wishful thinking.)

Ginny: Total TRA like lol, gets into fights with Molly. Maybe identifies as a boy for a while. Mayyyybe changes her mind when she sees how some others treat Neville and Luna for asking questions, maybe not.

Rita Skeeter: Works for Pink News.

Snape: Sees what's going on but hates feminists, so is amused. Not much inclined to help. Will say whatever he's told to say, but won't pretend to believe it; much curling of his lip. Thinks everyone involved is pathetic. Mocks online; hopes the feminists and the transactivists all kill each other so he doesn't have to hear any more of their 'insufferable screeching'. Likes the idea of a backlash against LGB since Lupin is gay [fuck canon on this one]. Is often telling the students to go to Lupin with any gender questions, just to make Lupin uncomfortable. Maybe hints that he knows of Lupin's secret inner terfery, to imply he could blackmail him. (I think Lupin would find this more childish and irritating than scary)

Dumbledore: Dark queer-theorist past. Perhaps Gellert Grindelwald would say 'die, cis scum!' and Dumbledore would tell himself he didn't mean it *literally*. (though tbh, I don't think Grindelwald would get taken in by it. If anything, I think he'd tease Dumbledore for giving it the time of day. The one thing Gellert would have in common with Aberforth.)
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-27 03:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I remain enamored with this and suspect JKR would also find it hilarious. Ron with a "There are 2 Genders" sign!!! Fred and George's hate speech!! Neville the pseudo egg!!

Also I'm pretty sure Sirius reads KF when he's stuck in hiding and can't go out. He gets lots of "mad at the internet" ratings and is always slapped down for trying to organize trolling plans.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-27 04:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
ayrt

:D

Oh, man, I fear Sirius would be such an annoying netizen. I feel like he'd post impossibly smug self-righteous things on twitter where he'd pick on easy targets, interspersed with jokes that were sometimes funny and sometimes just casually sexist or otherwise crass. He'd totally share the "this person is terrible, fire them!!!" petitions and make self-important tweets about it. His friends would be like, "he's SO much better in person, trust me!" Though maybe it'd be okay if he got on the internet in the olden days and lived in weird little corners of forums from the start. I just fear he's too sociable so he'd interact with the internet like a person who goes outside, and that leads nowhere good. XD Lupin's social media would be funny, if occasionally a bit wanky and overly introspective. He totally had an lj.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-29 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I love this but I think you have too little faith in Ginny! She's the best!
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-29 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Haha, I like her but I think she'd get pulled into this HARD. She's a tomboy, so she'd have all the years of people telling her she wasn't sufficiently girly, not having the 'right' interests etc, and then she's someone who feels compelled to protect the vulnerable. So I think she'd start out ally and then be like 'oh my god, I'M trans, no wonder I cared so much!', and then combine that with general teenageryness... I think she'd be on tumblr a lot talking about how nobody understands her and getting groomed (maybe it would take the role of Tom Riddle's diary in my au lol). Whereas an adult Ginny would be wise to their tactics *because* she'd been so vulnerable to it when she was younger.
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-30 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
hahahaha okay fair! Yeah definitely 1st year Ginny would fall for it. But I think 15 year old might resist... She's pretty bad ass by then!

In reality though, if Hogwarts is anything like woke real world schools, Hermione might be fighting the good fight on her own for a long time!
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-30 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah, I pictured Hermione alone with it and pretty upset over it with only McGonagall for comfort for a lonnnng time. I think it would eventually move toward the positions described, but she'd have a lot of angst first. ;_;
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-20 01:27 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"I make mistakes like the next man. In fact, being--forgive me--rather cleverer than most men, my mistakes tend to be correspondingly huger." Dumbledore placed his old thesis on the table, and Harry saw it was bound in pink and white leather, with a pale blue title: "Gellert or Girl-ert? Queering the cisheteromugglocracy for everyone's benefit."
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Re: What are you writing?

Date: 2021-04-20 02:26 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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