Eighth Post!

[hoisinsauce]

It's one thing if mankind is hunted to extinction by ChatGPT, but I really do object to being executed by Bing.

(https://secretfanspace.dreamwidth.org/2511.html?thread=3169743#cmt3169743 )

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Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, we get you, dan.

The histrionics about Evil Cloudfare are a good case in point about their messed-up priorities. How DARE AO3 apparently use them! But, then, I also think that DDOS protections should be as content-agnostic as possible, as if they're not, it's your content someone doesn't like that people will come for next. (FFA: "Cloudflare supported that evil place too long! They're bad!" Me: "Cloudflare knuckled under like cowards. They're untrustworthy.") Hell, I feel that way about most services, like, say, baking. It's like these idiots have forgotten why you can't use PayPal to pay for a DW account.

I remember when being a free speech maximalist was a popular opinion in fandom, and I miss it.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

+++++++ ALL OF THIS

I remember when it was popular in fandom and in tech. We are so fucked. :')

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

We are, and I'm not a fan!

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's funny as hell seeing people call Cloudflare evil for supporting the teddy bear bird ranch when I think they're evil for dropping it like a hot potato. Amazing how different our viewpoints can be.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Also, I missed the histrionics about cloudflare, but that's just fucking *stupid*. A dw community can survive without it; lbr, dw has like 3 users. Ao3 has *millions*.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Like, it's easy to say "use this tiny provider" when nobody's trying to fuck with you in the first place because they don't even know you exist.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

So mostly what I'm taking from this is that FFA don't know much about tech.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Even the ones who know tech don't think through the implications of shit. "Our side will always make the rules!" is a terrible way to think about anything.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

DD

Sorry to say that I don't feel too many in tech think through the implications of shit.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

As a tech dan (also the DYRT), I can confirm that, but I do live in hope that maybe one day, someone will.

(I don't know why I live in hope. I should fucking know better. All telling people the implications of X, Y, or Z does is get you on someone's shitlist. On the other hand, this is why I roll my eyes at most tech conspiracy theories. Guys, we're collectively not smart enough in the industry to pull that shit off. Most of our road to hell was paved with someone in PM or marketing's idea of good intentions.)

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

+6, if you get to the root of the problem it's just a bunch of midwit dudes who were in the right place at the right time to learn to put commands in a computer, who grew up in a time of relative political stability, who now read an aja essay and think it's profound. Fandom's the upstream of upstream.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Imo what needs to happen is enough of them need to be witchhunted to learn the lessons of old. But that has to happen in such a way that we don't all just give power to the hunters. Tech ppl need a nice little innoculation, nothing more. That's what fiction's for, but unfortunately, stemfolxx don't read.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Coincidentally, I’m going to briefly suggest to a group of children, tomorrow, that if you find yourself in a mob hunting someone down, you’re probably the baddies and you should fade out before anything happens.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

:)) Funnily enough I remember every kids' show pointing this out when I was a kid. Seems like it didn't do shit for my generation, but good luck!

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

DD

This wasn't a tech guy but I felt so much schadenfreude when this happened to Yglesias and he suddenly had to rethink his 'cancel culture is BS' schtick.

Don't have faith in their intellect either. This gen seems to take getting witchhunted as a lesson to go witchhunt better.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

flashback to my 3 secs of hope, 'now that all these women have been censored, at least they'll understand why it's a bad thing to censor people', hahahahahahahahaahahahanope ;__________;

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

From ffa:

"I'm genuinely impressed that AO3 managed to get Cloudflare set up and more or less working.

Whatever you may think of Cloudflare's ethics as a company, that is a normal industry solution that OTW managed to implement on a normal human timescale. By recent standards, this is shockingly functional of them."


I haven't kept up with ao3, so no opinions on dysfunction or otherwise, but lol, Cloudflare is extremely easy to set up. "Wah wah wah change your whole codebase to cater to my drama", meanwhile, usually isn't, and as a lurker I've noticed that's what people are usually asking ao3 for.

Also lol at the person in that thread sulking because they got told to comment their code before it would be accepted.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Also all the "I can't beLiEvE they didn't have ddos protection in 2023!!!" comments.

So, you're saying a site that has been up since 2009 hasn't needed ddos protection in all those 14 years. Sounds like they prioritized their tasks right. Not like they lose business with downtime. 🤷

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, and I see people have been linking to ffa from relatively popular tumblr posts. Another reason idiots are flocking over there, I guess.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

DD

Why the fuck wouldn't you comment your fucking code for fuck's sake

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[(Anonymous)]

DD

"Show me you're tech illiterate without telling me you're tech illiterate..."

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

I also think that DDOS protections should be as content-agnostic as possible, as if they're not, it's your content someone doesn't like that people will come for next.

This dan remembers when LGB content kept getting removed if you didn't warn for slash. I still have no idea why current fandom legitimately thinks, "Yes but my ideas are more right with extra fries and justice!" will ever stop such rules from being exploited against them if they start down the Content Removal Path.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

Hell if I know, but that's where we're at. It doesn't help that the DW people in charge, who are more fair-minded about various things than most of fandom these days, made their own righteous stand against Cloudflare during the sustained campaign against the fruit place, complete with the same inaccurate claims about the site. (I think it's a garbage place. I also think it serves a valuable function in our increasingly sanitized internet and is basically what FFA was five years ago, only broader in scope and without the TRAs.)

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

DYRT

It's why I think the original OTW vision needs to be preserved as far as possible, unpopular as it is. I don't know if I'm a full-blooded free speech maximalist. A stint working in a field pertaining to child abuse has made me extremely anti-sharing of child sexual abuse material, but I'll be the first to say that a lot of fic really doesn't meet that bar no matter what fandom screams.

I think it's possible to both agree the farms are a hive of scum and villainy and also think it is necessary for some value of ecosystem necessity.

Re: Fandom Things

[(Anonymous)]

ND

I feel that there's a variant of this when people smugly assure themselves that no platforming isn't silencing so it's ok to not be content-agnosticism. Well yes and no. If you go around asking every platform you can to no platform someone, then there's no two ways about it: it's an organised attempt to silence.

It's not the same as IRL silencing but it's clear this is part of the connective tissue of civil society these days.