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Got a WIP you're excited about? Want to rave about your fave? Or is your fandom absolutely in love with a character who detracts from every scene they bumble into, and you need somewhere to vent? You're in the right place!

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From: (Anonymous)

> But at least she wrote it purely for the kink, which I find a lot more tolerable than claiming your porn is FOR GREAT JUSTICE.

Ugh, I feel that, nonny. If someone's just into something I'm not into, whatever, annoying if the fandom's so full of it you can't find anything else, but eh, people are writing for free. I'm happy for them to enjoy whatever weird shit! But when they're pretending it's *aaaaactivism*, argh, raaaaage! :P I think part of why it's so annoying is the author's assumption that they need to educate everyone else. I like authors who assume their audience is roughly as intelligent and educated as they are (unless they're writing about some niche technical speciality that a layperson *would* need explaining). Maybe that's part of the appeal of genderwhatever, lets people feel like experts while they don't actually have to put the work in to acquire any actual knowledge. They get to larp as teachers! But it's like "ok, so if you 'learned' this off vox, chances are pretty high that your audience also is aware of it or could have thought it up for themselves (whether or not they agree, lol)". But it's like that never occurs.

From: (Anonymous)

Yeah, it used to just be the aces and demis who'd write lecture-y fic, but then the fujos started transitioning, and suddenly their porn was mlm and ACHILLIAN, and half their protagonists got turned into pussyboys/TIFs/omegas. Heterosexual sex is Great Justice!

(A/B/O is a whole other rant that I won't get into, LOL; it's just romance tropes and not the worst thing ever, but I keep noticing how much it keeps getting tied into TRA stuff.)

From: (Anonymous)

Haha, it's so weird seeing how much it varies from fandom to fandom, the ace side of my fandom was always fine. Mostly older adults and no overlap with ace reddit. While the most obnoxious TRA I can think of always wrote het-- but now she thinks her bf is a "demigirl" and thus thinks she herself is "hella gay", so she probably still writes het but doesn't describe it that way.

From: (Anonymous)

A/B/O is so mysterious to me. I took a break from fandom before it was a thing. I came back and it was *everywhere*. What happened? Why was everyone suddenly a rapey wolf? Was it Twilight, popularising werewolves? Something else? What did I miss?

From: (Anonymous)

I'm...pretty sure it's mostly because of Supernatural? There was a hella large amount of dogfucking in that fandom, after all. I still love the story of how the RPF side of fandom wrote dogfucking with one of the actor's dogs, but then the dog DIED, and so they had to change all of the pairings to Original Male Dog instead. XD

The thing that I can't get over with A/B/O is the idea of shitting out babies, I just can't keep a straight face! Just write magical mpreg! Or strict top/bottom roles! I think it even killed off the dom/sub AU worlds that used to be so popular, not sure if that's a good or bad thing. xD

From: (Anonymous)

SA forgot to add Teen Wolf, or course! I think the beginning of A/B/O predates that a bit, though.

From: (Anonymous)

Ayrt

I managed to miss all things Supernatural, so that would make sense. I know there are demons in in it and some guy called Sam and some guy called Dean and someone called Castiel? And the fandom argue over who loves who? And also it's cursed. And that's about it.

Also lol, I like how *that's* the line they wouldn't cross. "I'm fine writing rpf with a real dog but the dog has to be alive irl, otherwise the integrity of my fic will be destroyed!"

From: (Anonymous)

SA

I went looking for a fic with those tags to see the phenomenon for myself, but got distracted seeing 4 works for the fandom "Supernanny". "Wtf, fanfic of that show??? Is this some godforsaken rpf???" But no. One is some kind of crossover, but the other three have just been miscategorised. I can sleep a little easier tonight.

From: (Anonymous)

SA

Also searching out images of said sam, dean and castiel reminded me of how very much I am not attracted to men. *These* are the guys fandom obsesses over? A mystery! But then again I suppose the same people are pairing them with *dogs* so.

From: (Anonymous)

LMAOOOO IKR? TBF the dude who plays Sam used to be cuter, I guess. IDK what the dogs looked like and I don't care to!

From: (Anonymous)

I think my first thought was "men really do just look like someone took all their features and squashed them". And given the hype, I was expecting *these* guys to look like, I dunno, Henry Cavill or maybe Legolas. I reached the Castiel image search and was like "But that's just some guy!"

Maybe they're amazing actors. I may never know.

From: (Anonymous)

DA

Honestly I always thought fandom was being metaphorical when they talked about hotness and so on. Like I got that Castiel looks kind of friendly maybe and people were going nuts over Tom Hardy but legs open like a Denny's? Uh...

From: (Anonymous)

There's so *much* fic, though! 145971 Supernatural m/m. (Only about 51000 gen, which is the next biggest category). So maybe they're just really into the characters, but I dunno, I think by using Occam's razor somewhere Occam could never have imagined,we arrive at 'they find these dudes hot'. xD

From: (Anonymous)

DA

From a former visual artist purely aesthetic standpoint, I think Ackles was legit gay porn star pretty back in his Days of our Lives days and is still pretty decent looking--he's aged better than a lot of pretty boys. Padalecki always looked weird to me, though, and looked even weirder as he buffed up and his hairline slowly retreated.

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Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2021-06-04 08:59 pm (UTC) - Expand

From: (Anonymous)

NA

Same, nonny. I read it once and regretted it, not my cup of kink. But where why how ... ?

From: (Anonymous)

ayrt

Right? And it's not just ao3; back when I tried wattpad, I quickly saw there were three romance genres: billionaires, mafia, and a/b/o. 50 shades explains the billionaires thing (I know it's an older trope, but there are So. Many.!), mafia seems to be a wattpad thing, and then a/b/o is everywhere and inexplicable. I can think of few things less appealing to my tastes (always been firmly on the 'vampires' side of 'vampires or werewolves?'), and I see so many others say the same, it's mysterious! xD There are probably some acafan articles on it somewhere, but I don't really trust them.

From: (Anonymous)

Pop social justice hath damaged the beautiful irreverence of yaoi; is there anything it won't defile??? ;_; I was always happy that somewhere out there were women writing men banging men in implausible ways for nothing but their own pleasure, without giving a shit about what other people thought, for once. Deciding that their creations must now be socially "useful" to be permitted to exist feels very ugly.

From: (Anonymous)

DA

Yeah, it used to just be the aces and demis who'd write lecture-y fic, but then the fujos started transitioning, and suddenly their porn was mlm and ACHILLIAN, and half their protagonists got turned into pussyboys/TIFs/omegas. Heterosexual sex is Great Justice!

Wait what.

From: (Anonymous)

When surprise A/B/O started showing up in all my fics, in all my fandoms, at first it was sort of interesting (if you skipped the weird sex) because there were clearly a lot of young women and girls kind of exploring how they felt about gender (actual gender) through stories in which both sex classes were men (and thus, people). It would then get strange and messy if they tried to include any actual women, and odd things would happen where all the women would be Betas, and none of the men would be (because only the Omegas and Alphas were interesting to them) and I’d just think about the endless essays you could write about what this all said about cultural depictions of men and women, and emotions, and sexuality, and these young women’s self-image.

Of course, most of those young women probably don’t identify as women anymore, and maybe those essays will be even weirder and more interesting when historians finally write them. And when surprise A/B/O shows up in my fics now, it seems to be more aggressive and sexually unpleasant. But then, that seems to be a pattern in fics across a few fandoms in general.

From: (Anonymous)

I tolerated it for awhile until all the f/f a/b/o had girlpeen. WHY. My unpopular opinion is that all the dick that started being written into femslash was a (mostly) unwitting psyop by certain bi fic writers to normalize MTFs being "real" lesbians.

From: (Anonymous)

It’s all psyops, all the way down.

From: (Anonymous)

I remember reading some early (het) a/b/o where, unlike male alphas, the female alphas didn't have girlpeen and knots, rather some sort of elaborate tentacle system that was internal until arousal. Kind of wish that's where the a/b/o female alpha physiology descriptions had stayed.