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Apr. 8th, 2021 01:55 am
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-09 01:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Nearly halfway through... Some speculation:

Jrveq zheqre (jryy, nal zheqre, yoe) fpernzf znyr phycevg, ohg Yvm unq n *pbhtu* naq gur npvq shzrf uheg crbcyr'f guebngf! Naq ure qbt jnf fvpx. Znlor vg ngr Dhvar'f vagrfgvarf ohg fur qvqa'g npghnyyl pbzzvg gur zheqre. Wreel frrzf gbb boivbhfyl fhfcvpvbhf. V guvax Yvm'f nffvfgnagf znl unir orra hc gb fbzrguvat zber guna zrg gur rlr ng gur fgneg bs gur obbx, naljnl. V'z naablrq ng zlfrys orpnhfr V thrffrq gur evtug phycevg va gur svefg obbx gura yrg zlfrys trg zvfyrq ol erq ureevatf, fb gelvat gb nibvq gung guvf gvzr. Uzzzz..
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-09 02:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Naq ure tneqra pbagnvaf ynoheahz! Fb znlor Dhvar'f thgf jrer erzbirq gb uvqr rivqrapr bs uvf univat pbafhzrq vg, ohg ur qvrq sebz fbzrguvat ryfr? (Fhccbfr gur oyhag sbepr genhzn pbhyq unir orra cresbezrq nf n qvfgenpgvba naq ur npghnyyl qvrq bs cbvfbavat, juvpu vf fgrerbglcvpnyyl ubj jbzra zheqre crbcyr... Ohg frrzf n ovg gbb rnfl. Fb V pheeragyl guvax gur erzbiny bs gur vagrfgvarf vf frcnengr gb gur zheqre. Ohg gur vagrfgvarf pbagnvavat n cbvfbabhf fhofgnapr svgf jvgu gur qbt trggvat fvpx vs vg ngr gurz).

Nyfb YBY ng gur vqrn gung na nhgbcfl pbhyq erirny jurgure n gnxrnjnl jnf unyny be abg. Gubhtu gung fhttrfgvba cebonoyl qbrf npphengryl ersyrpg gur pbashfvba bs zhpu bs gur Oevgvfu choyvp.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-09 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Fur yvxrf navznyf orggre guna crbcyr naq fur jnf gelvat gb senzr Snapbheg! Rira zber fhfcvpvbhf. V abgvprq gur "frny-yvxr onex" guvat, juvpu jnf jrveq (vvep gung jnf rcvpbprar va gur obbx?) V srry yvxr V fcraq gbb zhpu gvzr ba gur tp vagrearg orpnhfr abj V unys rkcrpg rirel punen gb or genaf. Ohg zl zbarl jbhyq or ba cvccn sbe gung, tvira gur ivbyrag guerngf. Fb ru vqx gur qrny jvgu gur frny.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-09 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Nyfb jbaqrevat vs Yvm jebgr gur obbx naq fgntrq guvatf gb cebivqr sbe Beynaqb. Fvapr V'z thrffvat fur jebgr gur cnebql bs Ryfcrgu'f. Naq nf gur pyhr gb gur ynfg obbx jnf va gur gvgyr, V svther znl or gur pnfr urer gbb, naq gur qenzngvpf ner gb znxr gur obbx fryy, ohg abg sbe crefbany tnva. Gubhtu vs fur qvq obgu, gung qbrfa'g svg jvgu zl fhfcvpvba gung fur'f abg gur npghny xvyyre, whfg znqr gur pbecfr zber vagrerfgvat.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-09 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Bu npghnyyl V jbaqre vs ur'f ersreevat gb ure nf n "urezncuebqvgr" orpnhfr fur pna jevgr naq ur'f n qvpx jub guvaxf bayl zra pna jevgr. Fb gura fur jnf uvf rk ybire jub nobegrq uvf puvyq? Gub qbrfa'g svg jvgu gur "nqbcgrq ol Unecl/Xnguela Xrag" ovg bs Obzolk. Nyfb Ebjyvat vf rrrrivy sbe znxvat ure ernqref ybbx sbe pyhrf va GUNG fgbel vfgt.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 12:10 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
(on chapter 30)

Naq V srry yvxr fur'f checbfrshyyl znqr vg frrz yvxr Beynaqb zvtug or znyr ohg gung guvf vf n erq ureevat? Naq Puneq'f sbbg vf oebxra, juvpu, fvapr guvf vf n pevzr abiry, zrnaf Puneq'f sbbg vf abg oebxra. Gubhtu znlor gung'f nabgure erq ureevat. Ohg guvf VF n pevzr abiry! Oebxra srrg ner nyjnlf snyfr nyvovf!
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 12:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Fvqr-rlrvat Fgevxr jvgu uvf "Vg'f zber guna whfg n wbo!111". V xabj vg'f svpgvba ohg va zl rkcrevrapr lbh fubhyq tvir rzcyblref yvxr gung n jvqr oregu.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 01:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sa

I <3 how much Rowling loves the name "Dorcus".
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 01:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
SA...

V jnf inthryl jbaqrevat rneyvre vs Dhvar zvtug unir snxrq uvf qrngu naq gur pbecfr jnf fbzrbar ryfr, jvgu gur npvq hfrq gb bofpher gur vqragvgl. Abj vg frrzf uvf rlrf jrer qvssrerag pbybhef, naq gur npvq unq gnetrgrq gurz vvep. Irel fhfcvpvbhf. Ohg V pna'g svg nalguvat gbtrgure.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 01:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
SA

Read the description of Simpson's In The Strand

"That sounds horrible"

*Looked at pics*

Hahaha it's as bad as I thought. Maybe the food's nice but it looks like it flies an England flag outside of football season.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 02:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ba puncgre 37... Fb Wreel frrzf gb or Beynaqb'f sngure? V tbg gung vzcerffvba sebz ubj ur'q ivfvgrq rneyvre... V qvq cvpx hc gung gur obbx jnf fnlvat ur'q orra phpxbyqrq (ol dhvar, cerfhznoyl) ohg znlor V'z zvffvat fghss fgvyy naq fur'f whfg fnlvat uvf qnhtugre vfa'g uvf. V'z arire nal tbbq jvgu snzvyl qenzn fghss.

Naljnl shpxvat yby V cerqvpgrq cvccn jnf n zna sebz uvf znyr-nff orunivbhe.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 02:26 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Tvira Cvccn'f pvephzfgnaprf, V'z thrffvat gur 'qveg' ba Yrbaben vf whfg na npphfngvba gung Yrbaben'f n gres.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 02:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
V ernyyl srry yvxr gurl'er tbvat gb svaq Dhvar'f erny znahfpevcg vafvqr gur phqqyl benat hgna...
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 04:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
NA

Nonny, I love these books but I am unfortunately 100% too lazy to decode your posts about them. I really don't think anybody here cares about spoilers that much if you just wanna leave them uncoded? xD
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 04:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
DA

I don't mind spoilers either but I'm amused that it looks like meme had a stroke.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 05:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Haha I def wondered if I'd forgotten how to read for a minute scrolling there!
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Turns out that, when translated, those posts recite an occult incantation, pronounced the exact same way as the rot13! :0 Silkwormanon was double-bluffing the entire time.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 08:42 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ayrt

Haha, I'll experiment with cuts in a bit, maybe there's another way to hide stuff that's less annoying. I don't care thaaat much about spoilers in general but I think it would be mean of me to do for a detective novel; wouldn't want to see that myself. These posts are partly just me speculating on things so I can check later how much I got right, so I don't mind blargling into the void. :P
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-10 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
SA

Looks like they haven't implemented spoiler tags for comments yet, seems to have got bogged down in pointless discussion ("what if background for spoilers doesn't match journal style we will need it to be dynamic" ffssssss). Some people online have come up with custom-css based workarounds so maybe that's an option.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-11 01:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Haha, I tried adding the style tags instead, but it didn't work! So I'm going to do one more rot13, sorry. :P I just finished the book so I think if any time justifies it, it's now... It's a list of stuff I guessed and stuff I did not guess.

(Fcbvyre gntf jbexrq va gur cerivrj, ohg abg va gur cbfg, netu!)

Svavfurq gur obbx! Nz cyrnfrq jvgu ubj zhpu V thrffrq, rira vs V qvqa'g trg nyy bs vg. V fghpx jvgu zl svefg vafgvapgf, guvf gvzr, naq vg cnvq bss.

Guvatf V thrffrq:

* Yvm unq phg hc gur obql naq srq vg gb ure qbt, naq ure fber guebng jnf sebz npvq shzrf

* Yvm unq jevggra naq qvffrzvangrq n snxr pbcl bs obzolk zbev

* Yvm unq jevggra gur cnebql bs Ryfcrgu'f abiry

* Gur erny obzolk jnf va Beynaqb'f benat hgna (cnegvny thrff fvapr bayl cneg bs vg jnf gurer. Ohg V thrffrq vg pbhyq shapgvba nf n ont orsber gurl erirnyrq gung, fb tb zr)

* Cvccn jnf genaf

Naq gur ovgf V jnf jnl bss ba:

* V tbg gnxra va rabhtu ol gur cngreavgl zlfgrel erq ureevat gb guvax vg jnf zber guna whfg n erq ureevat, naq tbg gur fcrpvsvp punenpgref vaibyirq jebat naljnl

* V gubhtug Yvm unq zhgvyngrq gur obql ohg jnfa'g npghnyyl gur xvyyre

* V gubhtug gurer jnf fbzr cnfg nobegvba qenzn vaibyivat Yvm

Fb gurer jr ner! V qvqa'g svaq ure zbgvingvba be zrgubq erzbgryl cynhfvoyr, ohg guvf vf n qrgrpgvir frevrf fb gung qbrfa'g znggre zhpu. V bapr ernq n obbx ol n qvssrerag nhgube jurer gur xvyyre jnf n ynjlre jub ovg crbcyr gb qrngu jvgu snyfr jrerjbys grrgu, fb.

Fb lrnu, birenyy V'z cerggl cyrnfrq jvgu ubj zhpu V tbg guvf gvzr nebhaq, naq V'z nzhfrq nyy bire ntnva ng ubj uneq Ebjyvat gevrq gb chg gur ernqre bss gur fprag, guvf gvzr ol gur aneengvir gevpx bs pbafgnagyl tebhcvat gur xvyyre va jvgu gur fnzr crefba jub jnf abg gur xvyyre, gb znxr vg frrz yvxr gur aneengvir vgfrys jnf qvfzvffvat gung cbffvovyvgl. V fcrag zhpu bs gur obbx pyvatvat gb zl gurbel juvyr guvaxvat gung znqr vg hayvxryl, ohg V jnf whfg gbb pregnva bs gur svefg guvat va zl yvfg bs pbeerpg thrffrf. Tynq V oryvrirq va zlfrys guvf gvzr. :)
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-11 02:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
SA

Oh, though one last thing... there's a point in the book where Strike kisses someone on the hand unexpectedly. I think it was meant to be charming but I cringed; the idea made me shudder, not least because I once worked with a guy who did this to a female manager and nopenopenopenopenope. MEN, NEVER DO THIS. (Not much point saying that here where, to my knowledge, there are no men, but still.)
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-11 02:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ha, I totally agree that in real life that'd be super cringe! But in the book (is this the last scene with Robin you're talking about?) I thought it was sweet. Strike's an awkward weirdo sometimes anyway. And I ship them sooooooooooooooooo much.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-11 03:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I had great fun reading along with your guesses!

V unq thrffrq gung Yvm jnf gur xvyyre ohg ABG gung fur unq jevggra na ragver snxr abiry! V'z vzcerffrq gung lbh svtherq bhg fb zhpu. V nyfb rawbl ubj Yvm vf bar bs gur bayl yvxrnoyr punenpgref va gur choyvfuvat jbeyq gung lbh zrrg. Gurl jrer ernyyl n ybnq bs ybbavrf, juvpu znqr gurz nyy irel sha gb ernq nobhg.

I'll warn you ... I really hated the third book. I don't much how much I should say without spoiling it, but just brace yourself for the fact that it's ... different.
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-11 04:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
DA Wow, I loooooove Career of Evil, haha. That's when the series really started gelling to me and gave Robin more attention. It's probably my 2nd fave after Troubled Blood. My list would be:

1. Troubled Blood
2. Career of Evil
3. Lethal White
4. Silkworm
5. Cuckoo's Calling
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Re: Books - Reading The Silkworm

Date: 2021-05-11 10:37 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm glad someone enjoyed reading along! I was a bit nervous in case I was waaaaay off and I just made a fool of myself xD

Lrnu, V jnf gevpxrq ol ure yvxrnovyvgl n ovg. Gur "ure tvivat zbarl sbe beynaqb'f jrysner" jnf n terng zvfqverpg, naq V srry yvxr V fubhyq unir thrffrq vg orpnhfr Ebjyvat vairegrq gur svefg obbx, jurer gur xvyyre jnf obeebjvat zbarl; guvf gvzr gur xvyyre jnf qrcvpgrq nf fbzrbar jub *tnir* zbarl, gb erzbir fhfcvpvba. Fb V srry yvxr V fubhyq unir thrffrq gung Ebjyvat jbhyq checbfrshyyl erirefr vg gb guevj ernqref bss. Ohg V qvqa'g thrff, orpnhfr, ncneg sebz nalguvat, V dhvgr yvxrq Yvm. Gubhtu qvq abgvpr gur aneengvir jnf gryyvat zr abg gb, pnyyvat ure n ohyyl rgp.

Anyway, I like how Rowling expects the reader to bring along their knowledge of the genre and to try to use meta clues, and she tries to subvert those, too. I also wondered how much she based Fancourt on people she'd met-- and how much she based him on herself! He got some of the best lines, and I thought he had quite a bit of sensible stuff to say on writing between the sexism and showboating. So I feel like she got some of her own feelings on the business out by putting them in the mouth of an annoying man, lol. I'd guess she feels a fair bit of pressure to make Strike different to herself, so she doesn't have as much of an author-surrogate as she had in HP, and the other characters speak for her more. Or maybe I'm wrong and she thought his every word ludicrous. xD But I like that she generally doesn't make any characters wrong *all* the time.

Re: third book, interesting! I already found the second quite different to the first, and I preferred the first in some ways (I liked the "normality" of the killing in that; have read too many bad crime novels with weird killings that turn out to be nonsensical, so was put off by that in the 2nd, though she did do it well in the end.). I think Strike was a bit more likeable in the first, too... Or maybe it was just that the characters and format were new to me. Will be interesting to compare experiences when I get to the third, anyway!
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