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FF7
Date: 2021-04-08 03:58 am (UTC)Re: FF7 - Fanfic recommendations?
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Date: 2021-04-12 03:29 am (UTC)Re: FF7 - The Remake
Date: 2021-05-08 01:16 pm (UTC)Re: FF7 - The Remake - Why does Tseng sound like some kind of Spiderman villain
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Date: 2021-05-09 10:53 pm (UTC)Re: FF7 - The Remake
Date: 2021-05-19 01:59 pm (UTC)But I do actually want to know how he bumbled into being in charge of the space program. I've heard the suggestion that he's from a wealthy family that shinra wanted onside, so he's just a figurehead, but the rocket still went up there, so clearly the space division got something right. Was he once talented and then lost his way with too many cups of lardy tea? Or did someone else do all the work?
Re: FF7 - The Remake
Date: 2021-05-20 03:42 am (UTC)I have so many thoughts about the space program! It's been a while since I read the OG script or played Remake, but I loved speculating about how Palmer got there. Some of these probably get facts wrong, but:
1) I've heard the wealthy family idea too. It does sounds like something Shinra would do. It could also be a nepotism thing, where one of his relatives was very talented or influential. Then either they bargained with Shinra to hire Palmer, or Shinra wanted to collect the whole set in case there were any other geniuses.
2) Another take on connections: he had a mediocre amount of skill and was friends with someone high up. Maybe he went to school with Bugenhagen? Pretty sure Bugen is older than Palmer, so maybe he was a mentor and felt sorry for Palmer or saw potential in him.
3) He started in a low position and kept failing upward. Maybe he used to work in weapons or some other department when he was young, but kept making costly mistakes. Shinra decided he would do less harm in the space program, offered an impressive-sounding dead-end promotion, and left him alone. He'd get the director job after Shinra decided they didn't care about the department anymore and he was the most inoffensive option. They could've even put him there to kill the program after someone else built it up.
3) Like you suggested, he was talented, but gave up all his integrity and hope for humanity after being part of the company for too long. I sometimes think Reeve could end up similar if he were stuck at Shinra for too long and the OG never happened. They both have a tendency to lie to themselves and detach from reality, and to focus on things of questionable relevance (yeah, Cait Sith ended up being useful, but nobody knew any of the events in the OG would happen. In another world, Reeve could've kept building random cat robots in his office forever). Palmer might have been excellent at his job when Shinra thought it had a future. Then when they started pulling funding and he saw it was hopeless, he withdrew and started getting deep into obscure teas instead. I could see him and Reeve getting into some super technical discussion out of the blue, and Reeve being both impressed and disgusted that Palmer knows so much, yet is the way he is.
4) Maybe when he was younger he was a talented suckup and good at office politics. He'd probably be good enough at finding other talented people (Shera, etc.) to keep his department going, even if he didn't care about it other than to make him money.
Re: FF7 - The Remake
Date: 2021-05-28 10:51 am (UTC)I could see Palmer being good at office politics (especially if combined with the "rich" theory; maybe he makes flashy gestures). I always felt like they were trying to go for an old boys club vibe with him, given his dress sense. And/or I could definitely picture him reaching and keeping his position via blackmail.
Hah, I was thinking about Bugenhagen before! I have a bad habit of attributing too much to him. But I could see a situation where he did the work, then left, and Palmer was the only one around to be credited and thus got a position way above his skill level.
I also sometimes headcanon Palmer as an alcoholic. So that could interact in interesting ways with Reeve-as-observer-who-is-afraid-they-are-similar. Or, more comically, with members of General Affairs. Elena makes some jokey comment, Tseng starts worrying he is become Palmer, drinker of... beverages...
Re: FF7 - The Remake
Date: 2021-06-25 09:27 pm (UTC)Re: FF7 - The Remake
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Date: 2021-07-05 03:39 pm (UTC)Re: FF7
Date: 2021-07-05 04:24 pm (UTC)Yeah, I think it could be very similar to midgar in principle if it has a train (or similar) in the trunk that we don't see that spirals upwards. Though then it's weird that there'd be different doors... though nothing in that world makes sense really. :P The doors would suggest it had a bunch of lifts, though. Maybe like one of those ballpoint pens where you can push up tabs to make the ink different colours? XD Could there have been a fight in the ff7verse between rail-based architecture and lift-based architecture? I like the idea of writing a fic that's a treatise on it where something that isn't politicised in our world gets heavily politicised, so it's like reading old papers on how some artistic genre is the ultimate expression of some seemingly unrelated school of politics, and it comes across as totally nuts when encountered outside of its time and place.
Re: FF7
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