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Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-03 09:13 pm (UTC)Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-03 10:24 pm (UTC)Well... yeah. That's why you don't put some random on the stand just to Educate the room on transactivist talking points when you're supposed to be trying to clear your son of murder.
But I do love how this implies that transactivists will take whatever you're doing, and make it all about them, at cost to you.
mother's abusive ex husband, asher's dad, shows up. he tells the defense that he needs a better witness. eh, no argument there.
(just in case you're wondering if the prose has improved with the experience these authors have gained over the 339 pages they've written so far, here's a snippet:
"He exudes power and privilege, a superhero coming to save the day in his tailored suit. But you don't get to be the hero of the story when you're the villain."
Profound.)
Son reveals he has been meeting up with his abusive father every month without his mother's knowledge:
"I didn't know how to tell you that I was seeing him," he says. "Remember when Uncle Jordan found texts on my phone to Ben Flanders? That wasn't a guy on the hockey team. That's Dad. I gave him a fake name so you wouldn't find out."
Ben Flanders. Braden Fields. "Why, Asher?" I ask.
(fair play, this nonny did indeed think 'Ben Flanders' was a fucking stupid name when she saw it, but she figured that was just in keeping with the rest of the book)
Anyway, yeah, the abusive dad is called Braden, fyi. I find this funny because the only Braden I've ever met was a gay mormon teen who was utterly, pathologically obsessed with Lady Gaga. It's the wrong name to choose if you want this particular nonny to feel a powerful sense of dread.
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-03 10:28 pm (UTC)Why am I reminded of the 'He was an hero' meme, awful I know, but somehow fitting.
>Gay mormon teen
These _exist_???
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-03 10:37 pm (UTC)Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-03 10:41 pm (UTC)(yeah, that was it, Lady Gaga and charlie the fucking unicorn, nonstop
i had forgotten how annoying that guy was)
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-03 11:13 pm (UTC)Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-03 10:58 pm (UTC)"As fiercely as Braden loved me, he hurt me. If I had known that his love came at such a high price, would I have married him?
The answer is, sadly, yes. Even if someone is violent, or a liar; even if he breaks your heart every time you hand it to him-- that doesn't necessarily stop you from loving him. The two are not mutually exclusive."
Right, but the question wasn't 'would you still love him?', it was 'would you have married him?'. And you fled from him. So I don't think you'd be there like 'well, if I could do it all over again with full knowledge, yeah, sure, I'd choose to get beaten and then at some point when it got too much I guess I'd leave AGAIN'.
But I don't know why I'm bothering to look for consistency in this book. The authors already forgot the main detail they opened with on the very first page.
Ooh, but! Now we've reached the part of the book where the title is featured in the prose! We cut from a scene where the mother silently worries that the son is lying and that he is an abuser, to:
"There is one type of honey you should avoid at all costs. Mad honey"
Alright, alright, I've clipped that so that it looks stupider.
"There is one type of honey you should avoid at all costs. Mad honey comes from bees that forage on [blah blah blah blah blah]"
She describes all the ways that mad honey makes you ill, and can kill, and then we get this dazzling metaphor:
"The secret weapon of mad honey, of course, is that you expect it to be sweet, not deadly. You're deliberately attracted to it. By the time it messes with your head, with your heart, it's too late."
So there, at last. That's why this book is FULL OF BEES. Your honey was your abuser all along!
There are not enough Pulitzer prizes for this book.
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-03 11:08 pm (UTC)He claims that a woman's heart beats faster than a man's. Not true, in my experience. Admittedly, I have a very small sample size. But my heartbeat is MUCH slower than those of the men I have had a chance to compare it to. google search agrees with the heart surgeon character, but the same resources refer to women as afab, so I am abandoning the whole medical establishment and am henceforth fixing all ills with a trusty poultice. I'll take my inspiration from history; an older relative says that when she was a kid, the treatment for ear-ache was to put a pouch of warm onions against one's ear. still better medicine than the stuff promoted in this book!
I'm getting tired, as is probably apparent. More tomorrow, methinks. (we've reached page 343)
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 08:21 pm (UTC)Let's see what it's got in store for us today. I hope I can finish it, but I'm starting later than usual...
We actually start with a good flashback scene, of the mother taking an elaborate route home to avoid her abusive ex's wrath. This is one of the few scenes in this book that has a ring of truth about it; I assume it is a real woman's story. So we're on a grand tally of 3 good scenes in this book!
Oh yeah, forgot to mention. The mother's name is Olivia McAfee. Every time I see it on the page I start snickering. idk why they chose the name of the world's most notorious antivirus for the main character in this heart-rending novel, but I noticed I hadn't informed you! So there you are.
The mother testifies as to her son's character. This strikes me as thoroughly pointless, but I don't know enough about the court system to know whether that happens, and they do a lot of insane shit, so maybe it does. She says nice things about her son while reflecting that an outsider looking in on her abusive marriage from a distance would have said the same nice things about her husband. I wonder if this was the initial seed of the book and then all the other rubbish got tacked on, because it's a cool idea for a scene. Obviously it's only executed as well as these authors can executed, but the mindfuck still comes through.
She says her son is a great guy, as instructed-- but then right at the end, she goes off-script, and mentions that Asher has been "protecting me since he was six". You would think her attorney would be making frantic gestures at her to shut up at this point, in case she incriminates her kid, but no, he's 'torn', and his facial expression indicates he is just worried she might "reveal something personal that [she] might later regret".
So, yes, she decides this is her moment to REVEAL to the court that she has been abused in the past! It is something that needs to be REVEALED! She tells them she is familiar with abusers, and that she therefore knows that her son is not abusive. (she in fact has no such certainty, and considers herself a liar) I'm curious whether this book will punish her for this. This seems like the sort of book that might punish a mother for this.
Anyway, yeah. She thinks "I am so, so tired of hiding" and then announces to the court that her ex-husband abused her in front of their son, and had been doing so for years. Because obviously, that's going to make the court think that her son is LESS likely to have picked up that behaviour! There exists no media that claims abusive men are those who have abusive childhoods!
But we've had no logic for 348 pages, so why start now? I think we're supposed to think this is some grand redemptive confession. She bursts into tears, the court takes a break, and her attorney comforts her:
"You didn't have to do that" (yeah, no shit)
"I was trying to save my son," I answer. "Isn't that what you wanted?"
He grimaces. "Not if it meant sacrificing yourself."
He really is the worst lawyer ever.
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 08:25 pm (UTC)What you have revealed to this dan is considerably more trippy which fits the title, dan guesses!
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-06 12:50 pm (UTC)* There is a lot of honey; 'mad' honey, one might say
* The story is both insane and angry, on a topic that gets everywhere and swiftly makes things sticky and unpleasant
* At a glance, this looks like it might be an actual book, much as "mad honey" looks like it will be a tasty snack. But if you swallow any of it, god help you.
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 08:32 pm (UTC)She heads back toward the courtroom, and bumps into her old flame again. And we get this majestic scene:
"Olivia." He hesitates. "I'm sorry. I... didn't know."
But you did, I want to say, thinking of the time he pressed the card for a battered women's shelter into my hand years ago, at the farmers' market. Or at least, you suspected.
He reaches out and gently touches my arm. "Not every man is like that," he says.
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 08:35 pm (UTC)Thanks, I hate it.
Going to go get drunk now.
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 08:35 pm (UTC)I get it's supposed to be an ~affectionate scene but seriously screw it.
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 08:41 pm (UTC)Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
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Date: 2023-07-04 08:55 pm (UTC)We flashback to a scene of the husband abusing the son. It's placed at the end of the chapter, like a big reveal, but I can't work out why. I swear it contradicts a previous scene though. Let's check...
pg 352
on the day that he came between Braden and me, when Asher clung to his leg like a barnacle, Braden plucked him off and hurled him across the room. There, he struck the wall and crumpled.
... and gah, I SWEAR she narrated this earlier and said that when her husband saw her kid clinging to her leg, that prompted him to stop. I can't find the scene right now, so I'll come back in a bit and look harder to find out if I've misremembered or not. I want to get this thing FINISHED.
(oh yeah, forgot to mention: tim had special magical spidey sense that let him instantly see through asher's abusive dad, presumably related to his anime cello gifts and ability to remember unimpressive facts such as 'numbers, but in german'.)
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 09:02 pm (UTC)pg 352:
on the day that he came between Braden and me, when Asher clung to his leg like a barnacle, Braden plucked him off and hurled him across the room. There, he struck the wall and crumpled.
pg 108:
I looked down to find Asher launching himself against Braden. 'Stop, Daddy,' he said, beating his fists against his father's belly, trying to save me by doing to Braden what Braden was doing to me.
pg 110:
On that Sunday, twelve years ago, Braden had been so surprised by Asher's tiny, focused fury that it diluted the charge of the moment. Braden turned sweet and solicitous, suggesting we watch a disney movie as a family; stroking my hair and whispering an apology; making love to me that night as if I were a sculpture he was shaping with his own reverent hands.
So... I think they just had two different drafts, forgot they'd already used one set of events, and put them both in the book. I wonder if one author wrote each?
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 09:07 pm (UTC)Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
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Date: 2023-07-04 09:23 pm (UTC)We then witness THE WEIRDEST FUCKING ENGLISH CLASS EVER. Mystifying passage incoming! (the english teacher is nicknamed 'Chopper', jsyk) I like that it includes a poem that is better than this book, so I'm going to include it too, as an air-freshener. =)
I open my backpack and get out the poetry book we're doing for Chopper. We're starting out with William Blake, the Songs of Innocence and of Experience.
O Rose, thou art sick!
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.
And all at once, tears rush to my eyes, and I'm sobbing.
When we were talking about the Blake poem today, Chopper looked at us and asked what it made us think about-- not what it *meant*, but how it made us *feel*. I thought that was a nice distinction.
Until Dirk raised his hand and said, *She's got an STD!*
Chopper pointed to the door. "Out," he said.
"But, Mr. Jameson--"
"Out," said Chopper, and Dirk got his things and slunk out of the room. Then, with a smile, Chopper said, "Actually, venereal disease is one of the things readers have thought the poem's about. But maybe that's too specific. What else do you think when you read this?"
"It makes me think about a woman who's been made sick," said the girl in front of me. "By a man. Who says he loves her. But mostly, she wants to be alone."
There was a long pause as we all thought about this. "So sometimes," growled Chopper, "love just makes people sick?"
Heads nodded. A *lot* of heads nodded.
"Sick," said Chopper, again. He is positively the gnarliest, most wrinkled teacher I have ever had. But then he looked at us with a strange, gentle expression. "But we keep on looking for it, day after day. Getting our hearts broken. And getting them healed again."
He looked out the window. We all sat there in an electric silence. Chopper looked back at us, and pointed toward the door again. "All right," he said. "*Out.*"
So... the teacher randomly bullies one of the students for giving a interpretation of the poem he was asked to interpret, then 'growls' them a trite little sermon about love, and that's the end of the lesson.
If this is an accurate representation of the authors' highschool education, no wonder this book ended up like this.
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Date: 2023-07-04 10:02 pm (UTC)Part of me is hoping the book will introduce her other ex, John, and the plot will unravel into a frenzied whale-fucking fever dream.
I suspect this will not happen.
(This readalong has been absolutely amazing, nonny. Thank you for posting.)
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Date: 2023-07-04 10:06 pm (UTC)Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 10:08 pm (UTC)IF ONLY
But there's still time! I've reached page 361, so there's still-- NEARLY A HUNDRED FUCKING PAGES HOLY SHIT HOW IS IT ALWAYS A HUNDRED FUCKING PAGES
DDDDDDDDDDD:
(thank you very much though, dan!!! <3 :) )
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 10:28 pm (UTC)There may not be whale fucking, but the ALWAYS A HUNDRED FUCKING PAGES is starting to sound feverish. This dan salutes you for your sacrifice!
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 12:10 am (UTC)This is probably a stupid thing to get hung up on, given the much bigger flaws in this thing, but I just really hate it when a book makes some declaration as though it's a fact about the world of the book, while everything that is happening in the book is actively contradicting it. It's something you always see in the worst of YA.)
Re: Books - mad honey (Jodi Picoult, Monsieur Boylan)
Date: 2023-07-04 12:18 am (UTC)Fantasy examples of the kind of thing I mean:
"jimbob is the kindest person you could ever meet."
*on multiple occasions, Jimbob is depicted viciously bullying someone vulnerable*
"Maisie is my best friend. I tell her everything."
*character and Maisie exchange only small talk over the course of the story*
"I bring my dog everywhere."
*The dog does not come on the adventure*
etc. Like people are just copying their very first planning notes straight into the final work and publishing them.